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triangular objects that were being

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reported over there and he had a meeting

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Belgium including the Air Force pods who

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were responsible for chasing one object

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one night and tracking it on radar but

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strangely the lay said tomato's

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perspective on the end was that the

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objects being seen in Belgium were

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man-made now that was very interesting

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I'd never heard that put forward before

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by somebody who was a Senate staffer

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people but here's someone who actually

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took the time to go to Belgium meet with

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high officials their access data later

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and came back and still his thought was

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that the objects were man-made and so

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that really threw Jacques filet in his

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diary entry he said well that's what he

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came back and told me he also said that

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tomato mentioned that the American

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Federation of scientists had a research

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project going on on Belgium style

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aircraft believing that something was

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being manufactured in the US so very

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interesting to have look at chat fillets

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Diaries just released to find out

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information about some of these

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characters I don't think we'd find out

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any of this any other way than a shack

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fillet didn't take the time to to make

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these notes that we can read 20 years

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later got it and yeah let's move on to

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another insider from back in the day

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that you turned up but apparently there

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was at least some ad hoc work going on

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with an individual named Ron Blackburn

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yes I came across from Blackburn in jock

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valets volume three Diaries where he was

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talking about the decade 1980 to 89

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towards the end of the 1989 a character

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popped up in the Lay's book called Ron

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Blackburn and like many other people I

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think we'll never heard of this

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particular person maybe I should try and

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search on it and in fact there was very

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little on the surface on the internet

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about Blackburn he turned up at a

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conference in Las Vegas in 2005 where

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someone was holding a UFO crash

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retrieval conference and the person who

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mentioned that one dr. Ron Blackburn had

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turned up a lieutenant colonel in the US

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Air Force and that he had investigated

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UFOs for the Air Force and for military

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military contractors unquote and I

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1989 time and just as a slide i might

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mention that i was reading at the time a

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book by journalist howard Blum BL um and

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project running in 1983 to 1985 and that

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here sure enough that had been a

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character who turned up to talk to Jack

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fillet in the mid-1980s so this was just

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after Howard Blum proposed project and

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consulting engineer for advanced systems

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technology and Lockheed and a bit of

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recording during that period and what it

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works where so many people have an

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interest in UFOs and he what he wanted

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engineering approach he was a typical

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project UFO government get together a

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person who said that he had been

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dissipation back in the the 1980s which

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concept from UFO sightings and that he

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of the registration of B double a SS

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bass they weren't actually registered

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about the what the people who were

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program on a quote here the program lead

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analysts and researchers and then he

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went on to the fact that he was also

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involved in business developing and he

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of 40 scientists for Robert Bigelow and

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it was dealing with emerging space

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technologies that's exactly why bass got

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the contract from the Defense

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Intelligence Agency was exactly those

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areas to cover so here we here we have

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some confirmation our bass people did

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get the contract from the Defense

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Intelligence Agency in 2008

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and by early 2008 were working on this

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so here's another little confirmation

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from a person putting some details on

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their LinkedIn page to the solicitation

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or broad area announcement which we know

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was about that program which we know

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wasn't led by the Caskey so all these

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characters are interwoven but a question

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that then came to my mind because I

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became more I am a very inquisitive

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person I thought well how come a Marine

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pilot who was involved in the Nimitz UFO

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incidences of November 2004 how come he

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went to Robert work for Robert Bigelow

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on a program which was dealing with UFOs

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now I haven't found a definitive answer

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but that is a very interesting question

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I can only imagine Bob Bigelow in 2007

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when the nimitz video was leaked to the

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internet because we know now that

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although to the stars academy exposed

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the video back in December 2017 and the

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New York Times saw it we know that

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actually the exact same video was leaked

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to the Internet in 2007 only that it was

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leaked to a German CGI studio I believe

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yeah and what we what we now know is

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that was the same video that was

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released in 2017 and that was reportedly

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from the Nimitz 2004 and so we have a

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link there to the Nimitz 2004 incidents

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so it's just a just a jump in I think

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it's really curious that that video

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would end up with a German CGI company

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the Corey Goode would get of all people

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would get leaked the a couple of there

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Eric Davis's scientific papers that were

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for the program it seems like somebody

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who does this leaking is got a little

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bit of a sense of humor there I agree

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totally it is I mean if one goes back to

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the above top secret for

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forums discussing the fact that this was

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leaked first of all the individuals on

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the forum were absolutely amazed and

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claimed it's cocked to be a hoax right

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exactly no one is going to leak a Navy

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Department video infrared video of a UFO

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they just aren't going to do it and even

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individuals like researcher Isaac Roy in

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the UK at the time dismissed us

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dismissed the whole thing as the

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probable hoax

335
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sure and and Isaac now for folks who

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don't know does a lot of great work at

337
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exposing these cgi videos that go viral

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and a lot of times they are created by

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CGI houses legitimately for things like

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commercials that are shown overseas so

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people in the states have never seen

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them and they don't know yeah they don't

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know that this was a commercial that was

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running in Brazil for example so some

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people think they're legitimate and you

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know they go along with the with the

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hoax and some folks dismiss them all but

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you know here you go the proof is in the

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pudding it was a legit video and the

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papers were legit - regardless of who

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broke them yes well if we was a genuine

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video released by somebody who appeared

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to be a member of the crew of our lab

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that Nimitz or the USS Princeton who

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were involved in those incidents but

356
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also I mean talking about things coming

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back to bite you

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ufologist Kurt Collins mentioned to me

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he said did you know that in a 2008

360
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conference presentation Richard Dolan

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missed the Nimitz incidents completely

362
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when he announced that he had a source

363
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that had come to him giving him details

364
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about this this this isn't this that had

365
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happened in 2004 and Richard Dolan just

366
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passed over it at the time so there were

367
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a few people who might have got a lead

368
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into all of this ten years before it

369
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emerged but who knows I mean we win only

370
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know now in hindsight that in fact Kevin

371
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day one of the witnesses from the USS

372
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Princeton was in fact the person who to

373
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- Richard Dolan but he talked to him

374
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anonymously so Richard quite rightly

375
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wasn't able to verify the story but

376
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Dolan did mention it in 2008 conference

377
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presentation

378
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Robert from my SCU he got a good

379
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deadbeat on this story fairly early on

380
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so that was a good thing he didn't pass

381
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over it but yeah sometimes you did you

382
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think you've come up on come across

383
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something that's so wild you dismiss it

384
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but it turns out to be true that's a

385
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mistake that happens it happened with me

386
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once I think we've all we've all been

387
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there we've all kicked ourselves just

388
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:25,780
coming back to Douglas cursed so here we

389
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have one of the Aviators involved in the

390
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USS Nimitz 2004 for incidents who turns

391
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up working for Bob Bigelow on a UFO

392
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program now I only know if a couple of

393
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people who approached Douglas Kurth over

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time I'll mention Aras researcher and

395
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journalist

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gulia know her in Quebec who managed to

397
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track down a phone number for Kurth

398
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ranked him up and said that blah blah

399
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blah blah blah I'm interested to know

400
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you views on this thank the century said

401
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something and I'm quoting Gillian ohia

402
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quote I did something full stop

403
00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:07,840
I can't talk about it full stop and

404
00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:09,870
that's all I Coolio know got out of

405
00:19:16,590 --> 00:19:13,809
Douglas Cerf so he's another person that

406
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we would absolutely love to interview to

407
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find out what he was doing working with

408
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:20,919
Robert Bigelow and past for several

409
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years and speaking of Bigelow obviously

410
00:19:29,220 --> 00:19:27,159
he's put his money where his mouth is

411
00:19:31,409 --> 00:19:29,230
he's not too big on sharing a lot of the

412
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information he gathers but he's gathered

413
00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:33,880
plenty of it some of it at the famous

414
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skinwalker ranch but you also wrote a

415
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:39,039
story about another piece of property

416
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that he purchased so why don't you tell

417
00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:43,390
our folks about that yeah this is one of

418
00:19:46,830 --> 00:19:45,070
those things where you reading a book

419
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:46,840
and you just literally can't believe

420
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:50,650
what you read again Shack Falaise

421
00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:54,570
diaries vol 4 released early this year

422
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lots and lots of interesting small facts

423
00:20:02,340 --> 00:19:59,290
in there but I'm reading away and

424
00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:02,350
then chuckle I said oh and I went to

425
00:20:07,860 --> 00:20:04,840
Robert Bigelow's ranch youfo ranch and

426
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:07,870
thought yeah okay skinwalker ranch and

427
00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:11,050
then I read further and he said ah we

428
00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:12,820
spent the day I'll quote him here we

429
00:20:18,510 --> 00:20:15,190
spent the day exploring the Mount Wilson

430
00:20:21,060 --> 00:20:18,520
ranch and I thought what's that got to

431
00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:21,070
do with UFOs the Mount Wilson ranch so I

432
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:24,370
read over that and he said yes it was

433
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:26,530
spent the day at the Mount Wilson ranch

434
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:29,440
I was along with a person called dr. Tim

435
00:20:34,980 --> 00:20:32,770
Ryan of a scientific organization who

436
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:34,990
was coming along to do some

437
00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:37,570
instrumentation we were here at the

438
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:40,600
bidding of Bob Bigelow who'd bought a

439
00:20:47,250 --> 00:20:44,530
second UFO ranch now this Mount Wilson

440
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:47,260
ranch I'll just check it's in Nevada

441
00:20:58,590 --> 00:20:56,130
this was in August 1996 so this would be

442
00:21:01,040 --> 00:20:58,600
roughly the same time period that Bob

443
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:01,050
Bigelow was buying the skinwalker ranch

444
00:21:06,150 --> 00:21:03,970
95-96 I know we're going back 20 years

445
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:06,160
here but this is things that we we're

446
00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:09,010
literally none of us ever knew and what

447
00:21:17,070 --> 00:21:11,470
they said about the place was that it

448
00:21:21,150 --> 00:21:17,080
was a typical western old movie stage

449
00:21:23,030 --> 00:21:21,160
set type of presentation bars old

450
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:23,040
buildings he said you could have had a

451
00:21:27,390 --> 00:21:25,930
gunfight at the okay Corral at the

452
00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:27,400
particular ranch because it was that

453
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:29,740
style and what he found out by talking

454
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:33,490
to an employee of Bigelow who had been

455
00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:36,250
hired by Bigelow to do UFO research in

456
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:39,150
Nevada a lady called Shelly wodsworth

457
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:43,810
who pops up in a few places but Bob

458
00:21:48,420 --> 00:21:45,850
Bigelow did confirm in one of his

459
00:21:50,130 --> 00:21:48,430
writings that he had employed Shelly was

460
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:50,140
worth to look at your foes in Nevada for

461
00:21:56,550 --> 00:21:53,350
him so she was close to the Mount Wilson

462
00:21:58,830 --> 00:21:56,560
ranch in Nevada and what we learned from

463
00:22:00,810 --> 00:21:58,840
or what I learnt and then shared with my

464
00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:00,820
blog readers about the ranch

465
00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:04,870
according to check fillets visit was

466
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:07,150
that that UFOs had been seen as far back

467
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as 1993 there were stories of craft

468
00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:13,150
following cars at night

469
00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:15,670
UFOs that shot intense beams into the

470
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sky hovering black Delta craft and

471
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strangely tinfoil like squares that

472
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folded onto themselves in the sky and

473
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then vanished

474
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there were poltergeists recorded that

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the the ranch there was a ghost in one

476
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of the rooms there and it seemed to have

477
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all the typical markings of what was

478
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going on at skinwalker

479
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,000
and yet until the shack fillet opened up

480
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about it in his Diaries until this year

481
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I don't know that it well I'd never come

482
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:53,110
across anyone else referring to a second

483
00:22:58,140 --> 00:22:55,930
ranch board port by bottom people oh so

484
00:22:59,790 --> 00:22:58,150
we've got lots of people who are

485
00:23:01,980 --> 00:22:59,800
interested in skinwalker we've had a

486
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:01,990
book written about skinwalker we've had

487
00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:03,850
documentary films popping up in the last

488
00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:05,950
year about the skinwalker ranch but my

489
00:23:11,670 --> 00:23:08,260
question is now is why did Bob Bigelow

490
00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:11,680
buy another ranch now we do have a

491
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:14,950
partial answer Shack fillet ask Bob

492
00:23:20,670 --> 00:23:17,410
Bigelow exactly that question why do you

493
00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:20,680
want to buy another wrench when Bigelow

494
00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:23,620
said well what we could do

495
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:25,390
Jack fillet you're always talking about

496
00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:29,200
using controls we could have two ranches

497
00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:30,520
both of which we've got you those

498
00:23:34,590 --> 00:23:32,200
stories poltergeist experiences

499
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:34,600
paranormal experiences we could compare

500
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,510
notes between the two we can make one

501
00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:39,760
public and keep one private and we could

502
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:41,740
we could compare what happens at the two

503
00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:43,810
places one way we're doing public

504
00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:45,220
research Skywalker

505
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:47,830
that's skywalk am thinking of Star Wars

506
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:54,090
there we can we can have a private

507
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,250
comparison ranch where the same sort of

508
00:24:01,410 --> 00:23:59,440
things are said to be going on and we'll

509
00:24:06,210 --> 00:24:01,420
just keep all of this quiet and I guess

510
00:24:09,090 --> 00:24:06,220
that's why we've never to this day heard

511
00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:09,100
of this second ranch if you go into the

512
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,260
Internet you can go to the Mount Wilson

513
00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:14,320
wrench.now and stay there it's it's open

514
00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:15,100
to the public

515
00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:17,620
you can stay in room number four where

516
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:19,720
the ghost inhabits and if you're lucky

517
00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:21,130
while you're there you can see some of

518
00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:24,700
UFOs so it's it's it's now public

519
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:26,390
property as it were probably

520
00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:28,520
but available for you to go and stay

521
00:24:32,140 --> 00:24:30,350
there do you know if Bigelow still owns

522
00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:32,150
it because I know he did sell skinwalker

523
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:33,800
ranch and apparently they're gonna turn

524
00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:37,130
that place into a resort Jack fillets

525
00:24:41,470 --> 00:24:39,230
Diaries silent on the question of what

526
00:24:43,660 --> 00:24:41,480
actually happened to the to date to that

527
00:24:46,510 --> 00:24:43,670
particular wrench in fact apart from

528
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:46,520
Jacque fillets reference I can't find a

529
00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:48,050
single other please place on the

530
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:50,420
internet which discusses any of this at

531
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,050
all Robert Bigelow owning it so that's a

532
00:25:00,520 --> 00:24:56,480
story for I think our friend in Las

533
00:25:02,410 --> 00:25:00,530
Vegas George Knapp to follow up on by

534
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,420
the way George Knapp did get asked about

535
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:05,120
this last point I went to dimension

536
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:06,710
certainly went to George Knapp on

537
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:09,530
Twitter this year and following me

538
00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:11,930
mention yet somebody actually went to

539
00:25:18,730 --> 00:25:15,020
George Knapp and said once the wrenched

540
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,740
uses of control and I found a tweet from

541
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:20,480
George Knapp on the 11th of March this

542
00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:23,510
year quote it was a positive control

543
00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:26,030
mount Wilson was purchased by Bigelow

544
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:28,220
because had had a long history of both

545
00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:30,950
pata Geist and haunting witness reports

546
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:34,190
and UFO sightings on the property and in

547
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:36,650
the general area and then he puts in

548
00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:38,690
brackets brackets skin was similar to

549
00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:41,270
skinwalker they're not the same range of

550
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:43,580
reported phenomena closed brackets and

551
00:25:49,870 --> 00:25:46,640
then lighter and his Tweety George said

552
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:49,880
I must say I never visited that

553
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:53,600
particular ranch so maybe we can get

554
00:25:58,810 --> 00:25:56,330
George to do a follow-up on that and

555
00:26:00,460 --> 00:25:58,820
tell us it or even sure or maybe you can

556
00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:00,470
go back on coast-to-coast and interview

557
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:08,360
him how we have to wait 20 years for a

558
00:26:13,930 --> 00:26:11,450
book by a by an American you follow gist

559
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:13,940
who openly admits that he's Diaries only

560
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:16,850
sell a few hundred copies and somebody

561
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,410
has to have happen to read it in

562
00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:21,440
Australia and then happens to know that

563
00:26:25,030 --> 00:26:23,000
they'd never heard of the mountain

564
00:26:27,730 --> 00:26:25,040
written wasn't ranch for all this thing

565
00:26:29,650 --> 00:26:27,740
to become open yeah I mean I'm amazed by

566
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:29,660
the synchronicity sometimes does that

567
00:26:34,540 --> 00:26:32,720
happen well I've got to get into an

568
00:26:36,790 --> 00:26:34,550
Australian case there the Perth case

569
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,800
that you've written about but cuz

570
00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:38,480
obviously some things go on that down

571
00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:40,100
under as well and there's some great you

572
00:26:44,590 --> 00:26:42,020
Oh cases down there but that let's stay

573
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:44,600
on the the North American track for now

574
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:48,320
and move over again staying on the Bob

575
00:26:52,659 --> 00:26:51,110
Bigelow trail here you would also

576
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:52,669
written an article about some of the

577
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,289
checks he's thrown around though like I

578
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:56,000
said the guy definitely puts his money

579
00:27:00,340 --> 00:26:58,730
where his mouth is and you wrote that

580
00:27:03,070 --> 00:27:00,350
he's written some pretty significant

581
00:27:05,770 --> 00:27:03,080
checks to various people and I want to

582
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:05,780
talk a little bit about that yeah over

583
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:07,970
the years and again we only know the

584
00:27:12,580 --> 00:27:09,770
details thanks to chunk delays latest

585
00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:12,590
Diaries because you had actually quotes

586
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:15,140
actually money at monetary amounts so

587
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:16,970
for example there was I think two

588
00:27:25,890 --> 00:27:20,990
hundred thousand dollars given to David

589
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:25,900
Jacobs and Bob Hopkins to do the Roper

590
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,510
survey where they engaged a professional

591
00:27:35,950 --> 00:27:32,720
polling company to pose the question to

592
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:35,960
the US community trying to answer the

593
00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:38,330
question of how many Americans had been

594
00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:42,740
abducted by aliens and that caused quite

595
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,500
a funeral when the results came out

596
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:47,840
because I think they were so dings

597
00:27:52,210 --> 00:27:50,090
citing something like about 5% of the

598
00:27:55,779 --> 00:27:52,220
American population according to this

599
00:27:57,580 --> 00:27:55,789
all had been abducted by somebody so

600
00:27:59,760 --> 00:27:57,590
that was some money that was tossed

601
00:28:03,580 --> 00:27:59,770
around there but Bigelow funded

602
00:28:04,390 --> 00:28:03,590
conferences actually I must admit for

603
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:04,400
transparency

604
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:06,650
I was actually funded to go to a

605
00:28:15,539 --> 00:28:10,450
conference in 1992 on abductions and

606
00:28:19,899 --> 00:28:15,549
that was held in a venue hired at MIT

607
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:19,909
where Bob Bigelow and the crown prince

608
00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:22,370
of liechtenstein of all people who had

609
00:28:26,350 --> 00:28:24,470
an interest in you of those put up the

610
00:28:29,289 --> 00:28:26,360
money to bring together about a hundred

611
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,299
of us from all over the globe to MIT I

612
00:28:33,070 --> 00:28:30,799
think the six days to talk about

613
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:33,080
abductions and that must have cost them

614
00:28:38,409 --> 00:28:35,690
a packet to to do that well I said you

615
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,419
bring that up but if you don't mind

616
00:28:41,409 --> 00:28:40,159
jumping over to that a little bit

617
00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:41,419
because that was brought to my attention

618
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:44,630
by James John Dalli who has been the

619
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:47,330
coast here at times and might be back

620
00:28:50,890 --> 00:28:48,710
again down the road although he's got

621
00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:50,900
his own channel going these days but he

622
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:52,580
had asked me to ask you about that so

623
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:53,880
since you brought it up

624
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:55,620
why don't you talk in a little bit more

625
00:29:00,740 --> 00:28:57,020
detail about that

626
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:00,750
yeah go ahead what went on there yeah so

627
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:03,690
what we got was we we got an invitation

628
00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:06,450
I came by phone call from the front of

629
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,070
the UFO research that were helping

630
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:10,500
manage the money I forgot to it wasn't a

631
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:12,810
dinner where there was Bruce Maccabee or

632
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:15,450
someone else said we'd like to invite

633
00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:17,490
you to a conference on abductions we

634
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:18,630
noticed you've been doing a bit of

635
00:29:22,550 --> 00:29:21,390
research in Australia and I had I had

636
00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:22,560
been working with a number of

637
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:24,980
psychologists psychiatrists and

638
00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:28,820
experiences behind the scenes to try and

639
00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:30,870
uncover what was happening in this

640
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:33,630
country to compare it to to the US and

641
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,820
other places and I ended up at MIT there

642
00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:40,080
was about a hundred and fifty of us

643
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:42,780
there all the names you could name had

644
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:46,830
had done abduction research John Mack

645
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:53,870
let's see Robert Bigelow was apparently

646
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:56,610
apparently Daryl I didn't know you was

647
00:30:00,860 --> 00:29:58,380
there somebody told me later on that

648
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,870
he'd attended John Alexander was there

649
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:02,820
giving a paper I gave a couple of papers

650
00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:06,840
myself it was a who's who list from from

651
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:09,300
all over the planets South Africa South

652
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:14,790
America Sweden the the US Canada and so

653
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:16,950
what we did is we we presented a whole

654
00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:20,520
host of scientific papers to the

655
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:22,950
audience and then we had discussions we

656
00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:26,640
had panel sessions we had panel sessions

657
00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:29,070
by experiences some experiences

658
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:32,070
presented their particular work but

659
00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:34,290
Hopkins gave a detailed presentation and

660
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:38,600
on on the Linda case famous abduction

661
00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:42,510
report from Manhattan said to involve

662
00:30:46,460 --> 00:30:45,150
someone from the United Nations we heard

663
00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:46,470
all those firsthand

664
00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:48,780
Richard Boylan was there there was a

665
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:51,030
number of psychologists who were

666
00:30:58,580 --> 00:30:55,200
studying the topic behind the scenes who

667
00:31:00,320 --> 00:30:58,590
I met but I won't quote because some of

668
00:31:03,790 --> 00:31:00,330
them never went on to become interested

669
00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:03,800
in subject any further but it was a real

670
00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:06,870
attempt at a scientific presentation of

671
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:07,540
data

672
00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:10,150
about abduction cases we talked implants

673
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:13,420
we talked Bota graphs we cat-scans we

674
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:15,490
looked at cat scans we talk to

675
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:19,080
psychologists who take had handled

676
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:22,890
implants we talk to you for researchers

677
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:25,480
handled implants so it was a great

678
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,940
opportunity to the lingual with whole

679
00:31:32,670 --> 00:31:29,440
bunch of people who are otherwise

680
00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:32,680
wouldn't admit and what came out of it

681
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:36,400
was well the proceedings which was about

682
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:38,770
I think six seven hundred pages long

683
00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:41,110
which you can still buy a copy of on the

684
00:31:46,110 --> 00:31:43,300
net called the Proceedings of the

685
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:46,120
particular abduction conference a

686
00:31:52,890 --> 00:31:49,690
journalist wrote a book about it based

687
00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:52,900
on his his six days at the conference

688
00:31:57,570 --> 00:31:55,960
interviewing a whole range of us and it

689
00:32:00,030 --> 00:31:57,580
was a very interesting time to be

690
00:32:02,780 --> 00:32:00,040
involved because remember this was in

691
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:02,790
1992 so we're almost 30 years back now

692
00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:06,640
but it was the high I guess the high

693
00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:09,430
time of abduction research and this was

694
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:11,320
where Bigelow the crown prince of

695
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:15,310
liechtenstein and Rockefeller were all

696
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,980
putting the big dollars into the into

697
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:20,080
the topic and coming back to what we

698
00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:22,330
were originally talking about was the

699
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:23,980
fact that yeah they were spending

700
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:25,450
literally millions and millions of

701
00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:28,270
dollars to UFO researchers and

702
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:30,550
individuals both scientists and lay

703
00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:33,640
researchers to look at this topic I

704
00:32:36,810 --> 00:32:35,260
don't think there's ever been an era

705
00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:36,820
where so much money has been poured into

706
00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:40,200
research fascinating era to read about

707
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:43,780
and also obviously yes the money's

708
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:45,490
getting poured in today some of it is

709
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:48,510
apparently going towards research into

710
00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:52,030
metamaterials possible fragments from ET

711
00:32:57,780 --> 00:32:54,700
ships that have crashed or pieces of

712
00:33:01,280 --> 00:32:57,790
fallen off or as something is going on

713
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:01,290
in that department and you have gone and

714
00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:04,380
are attempting to add to catalogue

715
00:33:08,670 --> 00:33:07,060
various pieces that are over a long

716
00:33:10,590 --> 00:33:08,680
period of time now some of this goes

717
00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:10,600
back to the Aurora case back in the late

718
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:14,140
1800s and that has been brought up and

719
00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:17,410
right up until right up until today

720
00:33:22,770 --> 00:33:20,350
TTS a and also separately

721
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:22,780
Gary Nolan and Jacques Vallee of you

722
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,460
already mentioned they've got their own

723
00:33:28,890 --> 00:33:26,559
separate study going and you're

724
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:28,900
attempting to figure out which piece

725
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:32,289
belongs to what claim fragment and what

726
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:33,809
have you got on that so far

727
00:33:40,919 --> 00:33:37,530
well I was very surprised I went to the

728
00:33:42,930 --> 00:33:40,929
Internet and my networks and said where

729
00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:42,940
can I find a catalogue where somebody

730
00:33:47,270 --> 00:33:44,950
has brought together all the cases over

731
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:47,280
the years where there have been

732
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,740
fragments of UFOs reported picked up

733
00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:52,720
associated with sightings and they've

734
00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:54,520
actually been analyzed where can I read

735
00:34:00,539 --> 00:33:57,880
something about all of this and time and

736
00:34:02,669 --> 00:34:00,549
time again people came back from the US

737
00:34:04,919 --> 00:34:02,679
or from Sweden or from Canada or from

738
00:34:06,899 --> 00:34:04,929
other countries and said no one's done

739
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:06,909
the work there isn't a single place

740
00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:07,929
where you can find all this stuff

741
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,840
brought together and I thought well hmm

742
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:12,399
I'm not gonna have to spend some time

743
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:14,830
doing this and I thought well yes if I

744
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:17,080
want the answer to that question what do

745
00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:19,330
we know about all of this stuff perhaps

746
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:20,919
I've got to be the one to sit down and

747
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:24,250
work at it so over the last six months

748
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:26,530
or so in conjunction with a whole range

749
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:31,619
of people like Chris Rakowski in Canada

750
00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:34,210
Ted Phillips his old tracer catalog

751
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:37,750
which he did in the 1980s 1990s and a

752
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:40,810
whole range of other other people Barry

753
00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:42,609
Greenwood dug into his archives in

754
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:48,040
Boston for me I was just looking down my

755
00:34:52,859 --> 00:34:50,230
list here yet guys in Sweden of help

756
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:52,869
guys in German Germany helped me with

757
00:34:57,810 --> 00:34:55,720
material and very kindly Jack belay can

758
00:35:01,040 --> 00:34:57,820
be some information for the catalog so

759
00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:01,050
what ended up is about 50 instances

760
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:04,660
where over the years we have had pieces

761
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:06,609
of UFO fragments come forward by

762
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:10,450
individuals right back from 1897 to as

763
00:35:16,859 --> 00:35:14,350
recently as about two years ago and I've

764
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:16,869
been able to by reading the UFO

765
00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:20,280
literature tapping my networks overseas

766
00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:22,950
digging out old publications from

767
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:25,600
various archives I've been able to

768
00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:28,690
compile a list together places where

769
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:32,020
these samples have turned up and not

770
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:33,310
only have they turned up they've been

771
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:33,790
analyzed

772
00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:36,310
in some way and I was surprised as a

773
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:38,860
starting point to find out that they'd

774
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:42,010
been at least seven different pieces of

775
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,200
material so these are from seven

776
00:35:48,510 --> 00:35:46,480
different individuals seven pieces of

777
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,520
material said to have come from the

778
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:50,800
Roswell crash which is a remarkable

779
00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:54,550
number and yes every one of those seven

780
00:36:00,480 --> 00:35:57,190
individuals have had their samples

781
00:36:03,450 --> 00:36:00,490
analyzed and unfortunately the net

782
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:03,460
result is more mystery than anything

783
00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:07,750
else we've had laboratories in the u.s.

784
00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:10,600
we've had laboratories in various other

785
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:12,220
countries have a look at this stuff they

786
00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:14,830
published their information theory Don

787
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:17,320
the internet in various places websites

788
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,520
old books old magazines and quite a lot

789
00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:24,400
of debate and discussion about it has

790
00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:28,840
come forward what I then found is going

791
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:31,180
more into recent times it was a big

792
00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:33,850
announcement in I think it was about ten

793
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,280
years ago someone said we have the

794
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:39,040
definitive analysis of a piece of

795
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:41,350
material from Roswell I thought well

796
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:43,480
this is great who actually analyzed it

797
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:45,190
and I don't know whether you've ever

798
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:47,050
heard of a fella called dr. Russell

799
00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:50,650
Vernon Clark became a not from Caltech

800
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:54,190
he held a conference which was widely

801
00:36:59,220 --> 00:36:57,370
carried globally where he announced that

802
00:37:02,040 --> 00:36:59,230
he had done an analysis of the material

803
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:02,050
from Roswell that had been his material

804
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:05,170
been given to him it had a history which

805
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:07,720
could be tracked back to Roswell and he

806
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:09,340
was publicly announcing that as a

807
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:12,040
scientist and chemist that he had found

808
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:15,850
unusual isotopic ratios in the material

809
00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:18,580
and he was willing to bet his career on

810
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:20,230
the fact that this was extraterrestrial

811
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:23,290
material well you can't get much better

812
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:26,370
than a chemist from a Californian top

813
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:29,260
university going on a global conference

814
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:32,050
and announcing that here we have et

815
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:34,210
material and he had the analysis to

816
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:37,720
prove it unfortunately like a lot of the

817
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:41,370
material ID I tracked down it unraveled

818
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:44,230
it turned out that he wasn't a top

819
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:46,630
scientist he was an environmental health

820
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:48,010
and safety specialist

821
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:51,490
he'd done the work in private in his own

822
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,810
time at a university and other

823
00:38:02,160 --> 00:37:58,240
scientists who looked at the results

824
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:02,170
that he published on the internet said

825
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:05,050
that they doubted his work that there

826
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:07,690
were probably quote huge mistakes in the

827
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,390
original testing unquote they pointed

828
00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:11,920
out that one of the material one of the

829
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:14,350
elements he was talking about that he

830
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:18,430
had analyzed was supposedly from a 1947

831
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:21,370
crash however that isotope was

832
00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:24,190
radioactive and had a short half-life of

833
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:25,420
less than a day

834
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:27,130
so there's no way that it could have

835
00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:30,850
come from 1947 and what happened is that

836
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:33,940
dr. June and Clark just disappeared from

837
00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:39,190
the scene his results were held I guess

838
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:43,900
in up as a possible potential mistake

839
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,090
and in the ten years since his

840
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,880
conference nothing else as they become

841
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:51,760
from any of those results so that's the

842
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,860
kind of material I was pulling together

843
00:38:59,300 --> 00:38:56,560
I found three samples that had come from

844
00:39:02,220 --> 00:38:59,310
the Rendlesham forest 1980

845
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:02,230
incident and yet sure they've been

846
00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:04,750
analyzed as well results aren't fairly

847
00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:06,790
well known they just buried in the

848
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:10,300
literature old magazines on the internet

849
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:13,660
in very odd websites and so my attempt

850
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:16,690
which ended up with a fifty two-page

851
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:19,570
document which is available on the the

852
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:24,430
net at the project 1947 web site for

853
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:26,890
anyone to go and read the analysis has

854
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,130
some really interesting instances most

855
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:33,040
turn out to be mundane but some of them

856
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:36,510
just are crying out for peer review and

857
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:39,700
another look at them and as I'm hoping

858
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:42,640
that by publishing this material that

859
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:44,140
will get other people interested in

860
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,510
doing a reanalysis of all this work

861
00:39:51,090 --> 00:39:47,760
because

862
00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:51,100
period amongst all of the the trash

863
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:52,540
awesome treasures

864
00:39:57,810 --> 00:39:54,760
yeah I think that the work that Peter

865
00:40:00,989 --> 00:39:57,820
Stewart did on the Yuba tuber material

866
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:00,999
is especially interesting he's written

867
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:03,369
there's a link at my website over to

868
00:40:10,019 --> 00:40:06,690
that paper basically the the list of

869
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,029
labs that studied this material a

870
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:12,880
high-end labs a government private

871
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:15,910
sector institutional like colleges or

872
00:40:20,509 --> 00:40:18,880
whatnot more than two dozen in one way

873
00:40:23,009 --> 00:40:20,519
or another had looked at this material

874
00:40:25,019 --> 00:40:23,019
ster ekat the end of his paper concluded

875
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:25,029
they couldn't figure out where was

876
00:40:29,969 --> 00:40:27,609
manufactured a very interesting case

877
00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:29,979
that Yuba tuba case apparently yeah

878
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:33,969
based on valets presentation that

879
00:40:40,469 --> 00:40:37,930
contacted the desert in late 2017 they

880
00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:40,479
the he had Nolan that do have samples

881
00:40:45,329 --> 00:40:43,180
from that I was wondering if TTS a have

882
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:45,339
any of those samples yeah I've never

883
00:40:51,569 --> 00:40:46,930
seen a photograph of this stuff so I

884
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:51,579
really have no idea manok if T TSA has

885
00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:53,460
it it seems like Nolan and gray and

886
00:40:59,099 --> 00:40:56,200
ballet absolutely do they've got some

887
00:41:01,019 --> 00:40:59,109
samples from from students the loo

888
00:41:02,579 --> 00:41:01,029
Elizondo when he gave his talk in Rome

889
00:41:04,589 --> 00:41:02,589
put up the slide where he showed

890
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:04,599
photographs some of the samples that

891
00:41:10,289 --> 00:41:08,079
they were analyzing T TSA and none of

892
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:10,299
them seem to be the Hubert uber sample

893
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:13,380
interestingly I did find in an old

894
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:14,710
magazine

895
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:16,930
that's one of my correspondents sent me

896
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:19,390
some photographs of the youbut with the

897
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,329
sample which I'd never seen before old

898
00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:25,119
black-and-white photographs well it's

899
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:26,619
probably more interesting is that when

900
00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:28,660
Jack valet was I think down in South

901
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:31,150
America a couple of years ago he went to

902
00:41:36,959 --> 00:41:34,630
a museum and there he found a couple of

903
00:41:41,759 --> 00:41:36,969
samples from yooba dooba that he wasn't

904
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:41,769
aware existed and he kindly was given a

905
00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:43,569
portion of those samples to take back to

906
00:41:49,339 --> 00:41:46,420
the US and he has in fact analyzed them

907
00:41:52,289 --> 00:41:49,349
and had the contact and the desert

908
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:52,299
presentations the lady did shows some of

909
00:41:58,469 --> 00:41:55,839
the results from those samples that he'd

910
00:42:00,719 --> 00:41:58,479
brought back recently and he said that

911
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:00,729
those samples definitely had some

912
00:42:05,579 --> 00:42:03,700
unusual isotopic ratios which is what

913
00:42:09,749 --> 00:42:05,589
we're trying to find some material that

914
00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:09,759
hasn't been made on on the earth but

915
00:42:13,799 --> 00:42:12,039
that he thought thought that the fact

916
00:42:15,539 --> 00:42:13,809
was that he needed to do some

917
00:42:19,069 --> 00:42:15,549
checking and that he wasn't ready to

918
00:42:22,709 --> 00:42:19,079
publish much about the u-boot uber

919
00:42:25,049 --> 00:42:22,719
recently acquired samples so that that's

920
00:42:27,989 --> 00:42:25,059
a very interesting promising line of

921
00:42:30,709 --> 00:42:27,999
research yeah as best as I recall from

922
00:42:35,069 --> 00:42:30,719
the stork paper what bag

923
00:42:36,749 --> 00:42:35,079
there was not any unusual isotopic

924
00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:36,759
ratios and the samples that he had

925
00:42:41,849 --> 00:42:39,849
checked at least as far as yes what's

926
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:41,859
interesting now is if if we have the

927
00:42:47,099 --> 00:42:43,930
chain of evidence showing that the

928
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:47,109
sample which was in this museum did come

929
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:49,689
from you batula and the bill a seems to

930
00:42:53,999 --> 00:42:52,089
think that it did because of what he

931
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,009
found out and what he was told but when

932
00:42:58,709 --> 00:42:56,319
he spoke to the people who run the

933
00:43:01,769 --> 00:42:58,719
museum he was quite keen to get the

934
00:43:05,789 --> 00:43:01,779
sample tested so then if that chain of

935
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:05,799
evidence chain of circumstances doesn't

936
00:43:11,819 --> 00:43:09,160
lead back to to yubi tuber in 57 and

937
00:43:13,469 --> 00:43:11,829
then we do have some unusual hospital

938
00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:13,479
grosses associated with that particular

939
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:18,039
sample what's probably the best thing

940
00:43:22,919 --> 00:43:21,249
that I came across was I asked Chuck

941
00:43:25,229 --> 00:43:22,929
belaying an email recently I said well

942
00:43:26,729 --> 00:43:25,239
what have you done recently that you can

943
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:26,739
talk about what are you doing I was

944
00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:29,049
hoping to bring out some work that he

945
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:32,380
and Gary Nolan were we're doing and he

946
00:43:37,499 --> 00:43:34,089
said well no we're not ready to to

947
00:43:39,749 --> 00:43:37,509
publish it but I then found a quote on a

948
00:43:41,759 --> 00:43:39,759
YouTube video well what was the time

949
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,769
frame for that correspondence if you

950
00:43:48,329 --> 00:43:44,079
don't mind my jumping in here about

951
00:43:50,939 --> 00:43:48,339
three months ago okay okay yeah well I

952
00:43:53,069 --> 00:43:50,949
very kindly posted a copy of my

953
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,079
catalogue and he very kindly write back

954
00:43:56,729 --> 00:43:54,880
and said do you know it's great that

955
00:43:59,699 --> 00:43:56,739
somebody's assembled such a catalogue

956
00:44:03,089 --> 00:43:59,709
this would be very useful to us which I

957
00:44:04,799 --> 00:44:03,099
took as a nice compliment and then I

958
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:04,809
went back to him treacly and said well

959
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,670
what can you tell me about more recent

960
00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:08,319
things and he said well we can't was

961
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:10,449
still working on it and then somebody

962
00:44:18,779 --> 00:44:16,390
pointed me to a 2017 September YouTube

963
00:44:22,289 --> 00:44:18,789
interview of the like which appeared on

964
00:44:25,739 --> 00:44:22,299
a podcast called grim occur or grim

965
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:25,749
Erika so this was a YouTube video I

966
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,250
could watch my sauce

967
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:30,400
Golay in his own words quote for example

968
00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:32,080
there is an element that has five

969
00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:35,260
isotopes in different abundance in the

970
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:38,080
sample we have two of the isotopes are

971
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:39,910
not present and the other three are

972
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:46,210
present at 33% 33% 33% that can only

973
00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:49,030
happen if somebody has separated the

974
00:44:54,990 --> 00:44:51,820
isotopes and reintroduced them into an

975
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:55,000
ally for some reason we can't fathom but

976
00:44:59,640 --> 00:44:57,010
I'm not ready to publish it we need to

977
00:45:02,670 --> 00:44:59,650
read you'd redo the analysis so this is

978
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:02,680
a relay in September 2017 talking about

979
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:06,720
yet another sample with extremely odd

980
00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:10,510
isotopic ratios in fact if I remember I

981
00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:14,320
think that was the sierra sample he

982
00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:16,870
doesn't actually in the bit that I saw

983
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:19,360
on YouTube that I took my quote from he

984
00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:21,160
doesn't actually say that it was the

985
00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:24,340
Sierra one I did find his Sierra

986
00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:26,620
analysis from contact in the desert and

987
00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:28,600
it's certainly the work that he

988
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,520
published and showed as a slide at that

989
00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:33,040
conference that contact in the the

990
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:35,260
desert didn't have anything like these

991
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,310
really bizarre odd isotopic ratios so

992
00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:42,240
I'm not certain that it is Sierra okay

993
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:46,180
and there was a I was just going to

994
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:48,310
finish off last time but it is nice to

995
00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:49,930
know that people of the quality of

996
00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:53,950
Jacque fillet and Gary Nolan are working

997
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,580
on this at the present moment yeah now

998
00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:00,160
there was an additional sample that was

999
00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:02,320
mentioned in the Valais presentation

1000
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:05,500
with the needs and obviously we know

1001
00:46:09,330 --> 00:46:07,150
that's Bigelow's organization the

1002
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,340
National Institute of Discovery Science

1003
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:11,920
er at least I'm close there on that and

1004
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:16,210
they didn't have a sample available do

1005
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:18,670
we know how far have you gotten in terms

1006
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:21,250
of identifying the specific piece with

1007
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:23,170
the picture on elizondo's slide

1008
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:26,530
presentation one jumps out one sort of

1009
00:46:31,140 --> 00:46:28,210
front and center you've got it or

1010
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:31,150
they've got is the arts parts piece the

1011
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,850
piece with the bismuth that how put off

1012
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:35,680
is talked about quite a bit there's

1013
00:46:40,990 --> 00:46:37,990
another piece that looks like a

1014
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,000
Rendlesham sample it's labeled as such

1015
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:43,760
and there's another piece that goes back

1016
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:47,210
a ways a bobwhite sample and and

1017
00:46:57,330 --> 00:46:51,710
have you been able to attach us known

1018
00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:01,900
colleagues overseas and posted a very

1019
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:03,800
high definition photograph of Luo

1020
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:06,410
elizondo's slide which is really clear

1021
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:10,160
and if we were I expected somebody

1022
00:47:16,330 --> 00:47:12,650
somewhere to be able to say that was the

1023
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:16,340
Russian sample from 2010 but no one has

1024
00:47:21,580 --> 00:47:19,730
so I've scratched the brains of quite a

1025
00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:21,590
lot of people and come up with about

1026
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:26,420
five of those images which are TTS a

1027
00:47:30,339 --> 00:47:28,609
samples that they've got that are

1028
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:30,349
completely unknown to the UFO community

1029
00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:33,920
so I can only surmise that individuals

1030
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:35,540
who've been keeping these samples for a

1031
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:39,530
while heard the call from TTS a4 samples

1032
00:47:46,540 --> 00:47:42,530
and simply said well I've got something

1033
00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:46,550
for you to look at well I had said that

1034
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:48,920
most of those samples are mundane but

1035
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:52,250
they are some interesting ones there but

1036
00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:54,230
he wasn't wasn't willing to point out

1037
00:47:59,050 --> 00:47:56,420
which of the images to correspond to the

1038
00:48:00,670 --> 00:47:59,060
interesting material okay now are the

1039
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:00,680
ones that we do know about now the arts

1040
00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:03,290
parts is the one that sort of a bottom

1041
00:48:07,690 --> 00:48:05,750
centre shaped a bit like an icicle I

1042
00:48:10,030 --> 00:48:07,700
believe the one that's sort of on the

1043
00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:10,040
top in the center but to the left of the

1044
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:13,670
round object that is a Rendlesham sample

1045
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:17,630
I believe let's see I think that the the

1046
00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:18,890
one that sort of looks like a baseball

1047
00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:21,020
bat to the far right in the centre I

1048
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:24,470
think that's the bobwhite piece not sure

1049
00:48:29,339 --> 00:48:26,660
about all that so can you tell the folks

1050
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:29,349
at least what we're a little bit sure of

1051
00:48:35,170 --> 00:48:33,230
well what the catalogue is revealed is

1052
00:48:38,829 --> 00:48:35,180
that some of these pieces that are

1053
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:38,839
imaged on the TTS a slide have actually

1054
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:41,800
in fact undergone quite a few previous

1055
00:48:51,570 --> 00:48:47,480
analyses so with the the bobwhite piece

1056
00:48:54,579 --> 00:48:51,580
of material from about 1985 87 in the US

1057
00:48:56,829 --> 00:48:54,589
that has a lot of people who've an ally

1058
00:48:59,099 --> 00:48:56,839
who said that it's unknown there are

1059
00:49:01,089 --> 00:48:59,109
pieces on YouTube saying it's unknown

1060
00:49:02,259 --> 00:49:01,099
documentaries that have appeared on the

1061
00:49:04,359 --> 00:49:02,269
History Channel or the geographic

1062
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:04,369
National Geographic Channel have said

1063
00:49:09,759 --> 00:49:08,089
it's odd and unknown only one group of

1064
00:49:14,019 --> 00:49:09,769
people have come forward and said we

1065
00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:14,029
know that what that was and a skeptics

1066
00:49:19,529 --> 00:49:16,940
group in the u.s. said that all it was

1067
00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:19,539
was a piece of accumulated material

1068
00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:23,420
which is part of an industrial process

1069
00:49:28,269 --> 00:49:26,239
they explained the industrial process in

1070
00:49:29,979 --> 00:49:28,279
a journal article they showed

1071
00:49:31,329 --> 00:49:29,989
photographs of similar castings which

1072
00:49:36,459 --> 00:49:31,339
they had found which had come out of

1073
00:49:39,099 --> 00:49:36,469
these particular processes and to me as

1074
00:49:42,009 --> 00:49:39,109
a layperson they look almost identical

1075
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:42,019
to that particular piece of material so

1076
00:49:46,809 --> 00:49:44,180
I think some of these things have a long

1077
00:49:50,019 --> 00:49:46,819
history of having claims to be anomalous

1078
00:49:53,279 --> 00:49:50,029
but may not be and sustained with arts

1079
00:49:59,709 --> 00:49:53,289
parts and back in I think it was about

1080
00:50:02,469 --> 00:49:59,719
1997 the bismuth sample which was handed

1081
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,479
over to Hal put off in the early 2000s

1082
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:04,640
was given by Linda Moulton Howe to

1083
00:50:11,289 --> 00:50:08,210
several universities to analyze and one

1084
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:11,299
of the analyses said I think this piece

1085
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:13,160
of material was manufactured on earth I

1086
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:15,529
think it was manufactured in America I

1087
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,170
think it was part of this stealth US Air

1088
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:20,960
Force program I'm pretty certain from my

1089
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:24,079
analysis that its earthly technology

1090
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:28,130
very unusual but earthly and that

1091
00:50:33,609 --> 00:50:31,609
particular analysis rarely is quoted by

1092
00:50:35,979 --> 00:50:33,619
anybody your secret most of the quotes

1093
00:50:38,049 --> 00:50:35,989
on the internet off on the analysis

1094
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:38,059
which raised the possibility of the

1095
00:50:42,729 --> 00:50:40,609
material being extraterrestrial so what

1096
00:50:44,170 --> 00:50:42,739
I've been attempting to do is look at

1097
00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:44,180
the pros and cons for some of these

1098
00:50:50,049 --> 00:50:47,180
analyses so that we can have a debate

1099
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:50,059
and hopefully people will reanalyze like

1100
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:53,150
know the TTS a is reanalyzing parts

1101
00:50:58,839 --> 00:50:55,640
parts materials so I'm looking forward

1102
00:50:59,920 --> 00:50:58,849
to to their results I'm hoping that

1103
00:51:02,609 --> 00:50:59,930
we're going to get a peer-reviewed

1104
00:51:05,529 --> 00:51:02,619
science paper out of it but my

1105
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,539
pessimistic side says the results are

1106
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:08,480
going to be announced to us on a his

1107
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,210
the channel documentary in May we won't

1108
00:51:15,730 --> 00:51:13,760
get we won't get the hard science paper

1109
00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:15,740
that I would love to see with these

1110
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:18,320
analyses but we'll wait and see that's

1111
00:51:24,090 --> 00:51:21,170
not coming up for a few weeks in one

1112
00:51:27,490 --> 00:51:24,100
piece that that you did cover in your

1113
00:51:30,099 --> 00:51:27,500
gigantic basically encyclopedia your PDF

1114
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:30,109
encyclopedia of all these pieces that

1115
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:31,490
have been mentioned over the years is

1116
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:34,520
one that relates to the DC 52 case I

1117
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,410
think this is really fascinating because

1118
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:39,200
I'm a big buff on this case in general

1119
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:42,530
but was not aware of this particular

1120
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:46,070
claim coming from Robert Smith that they

1121
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:49,670
found a sample door as a result of the

1122
00:51:57,849 --> 00:51:54,640
DC 52 case that had let me see here

1123
00:52:00,730 --> 00:51:57,859
matrix of great numbers thousands of 15

1124
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,740
micron spheres scattered throughout it a

1125
00:52:05,650 --> 00:52:02,720
piece of metal about twice the size of

1126
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,660
the your thumb and this apparently came

1127
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:07,280
out that Nick Redfern has written about

1128
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:11,450
it and we we've only got the source that

1129
00:52:14,740 --> 00:52:13,100
one Burt Smith who happens to be the

1130
00:52:18,010 --> 00:52:14,750
same fellow that grant Cameron often

1131
00:52:20,849 --> 00:52:18,020
cites as being the guy who has said that

1132
00:52:23,710 --> 00:52:20,859
out of Canada that keeping the

1133
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:23,720
extraterrestrial secret under wraps is

1134
00:52:31,810 --> 00:52:26,720
the most highly classified thing going

1135
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,820
in the United States so I'm assuming

1136
00:52:36,220 --> 00:52:33,680
we'll never see a sample of that that'll

1137
00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:36,230
never get into any kind of public hands

1138
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:38,440
but have you found out anything

1139
00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:40,490
interesting about that beyond what I've

1140
00:52:44,590 --> 00:52:41,560
already mentioned

1141
00:52:47,170 --> 00:52:44,600
yeah well I've actually found out some

1142
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:47,180
information which tends to relegate that

1143
00:52:53,470 --> 00:52:50,510
to more of a mythology than anything

1144
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:53,480
else okay and what I found is that I've

1145
00:52:59,050 --> 00:52:56,690
been corresponding with a person in the

1146
00:53:00,820 --> 00:52:59,060
u.s. who doesn't want me to mention his

1147
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:00,830
name but he's one of the top ufologists

1148
00:53:06,609 --> 00:53:03,770
probably our best analyst in the field

1149
00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:06,619
goes back years and years and years and

1150
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:08,540
he actually studied this case which I

1151
00:53:12,580 --> 00:53:10,100
was unaware of until I mentioned it to

1152
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:12,590
him and he saw my catalog and what he

1153
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,510
says is that the details up Frank

1154
00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:17,119
Edwards wrote up and the details that

1155
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:20,630
were cited by Wilbur Smith are in fact a

1156
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:21,130
very

1157
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:25,210
distorted version of the fall of a stone

1158
00:53:30,299 --> 00:53:27,910
from the sky near a place called Hendon

1159
00:53:33,779 --> 00:53:30,309
Virginia fan by a family called the

1160
00:53:36,779 --> 00:53:33,789
Lanham family the object wasn't metal

1161
00:53:39,390 --> 00:53:36,789
more resemble concrete and we're sampled

1162
00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:39,400
over to the US Air Force but he said

1163
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:42,460
I've interviewed the person who looked

1164
00:53:47,789 --> 00:53:44,710
at all of that and he tells me that

1165
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,799
Smith's comments about quote and matrix

1166
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,400
and magnesium all those silicate

1167
00:53:55,529 --> 00:53:52,960
composed of particles of fifteen microns

1168
00:54:00,380 --> 00:53:55,539
under coat actually fits the description

1169
00:54:04,829 --> 00:54:00,390
of a rare magnesium in static kronkite

1170
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:04,839
meteorite and so there's some doubt now

1171
00:54:10,259 --> 00:54:08,230
in my mind as to the value of or the

1172
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:10,269
genuineness of the original story that

1173
00:54:15,509 --> 00:54:13,720
we've got from those two sources I'm

1174
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,519
trying to get my correspondent to go

1175
00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:18,000
public with the information that he has

1176
00:54:22,859 --> 00:54:20,200
but I've known him for years and years

1177
00:54:24,839 --> 00:54:22,869
and years and I'm really value his work

1178
00:54:27,529 --> 00:54:24,849
and that seems to me the possible

1179
00:54:31,529 --> 00:54:27,539
ability of it actually being a meteorite

1180
00:54:33,329 --> 00:54:31,539
now who knows I can only quote what I'm

1181
00:54:36,029 --> 00:54:33,339
being told at the present moment yeah

1182
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:36,039
I'm a little skeptical myself the story

1183
00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:39,369
but it does relate to the DC 52 case and

1184
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,039
obviously I'm very curious so uh he's

1185
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:44,559
updated on how that all that pans out

1186
00:54:51,539 --> 00:54:47,650
and so we've gotten through all that and

1187
00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:51,549
let's let's go obviously you spend so

1188
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,220
much time researching UFOs here in the

1189
00:54:57,839 --> 00:54:56,079
states it's like you would think that

1190
00:55:00,569 --> 00:54:57,849
nothing ever happens in Australia but

1191
00:55:02,279 --> 00:55:00,579
that's not the case well we have a

1192
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:02,289
couple of famous cases that I guess

1193
00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:04,630
probably just about everyone's heard of

1194
00:55:11,279 --> 00:55:08,200
the disappearing pilot Frederic polenta

1195
00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:11,289
CH who was flying a plane over southern

1196
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:14,680
the southern ocean out of Melbourne in

1197
00:55:22,109 --> 00:55:18,160
the state of Victoria who in 1978 one

1198
00:55:23,849 --> 00:55:22,119
night flying alone radioed air-traffic

1199
00:55:27,089 --> 00:55:23,859
controller that he was being buzzed by a

1200
00:55:29,759 --> 00:55:27,099
green UFO and that pilot and plane

1201
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:29,769
disappeared never to be seen again so

1202
00:55:35,730 --> 00:55:32,410
that's one of our most I guess famous

1203
00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:35,740
cases that have went globally

1204
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:38,080
was investigated by a whole range of

1205
00:55:43,530 --> 00:55:41,110
people at a time Richard Haines famous

1206
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:43,540
US ufologist wrote a book about it

1207
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:47,350
called the Melbourne episode lots of

1208
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:50,110
debate about what exactly happened story

1209
00:55:55,340 --> 00:55:52,140
disappeared after a while because no one

1210
00:55:58,140 --> 00:55:55,350
no one knew what what had happened until

1211
00:56:01,380 --> 00:55:58,150
I went searching in our Australian

1212
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:01,390
government archives about 10 years ago

1213
00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:04,810
and like I do a lot of times I'm just

1214
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:06,340
playing around with keywords

1215
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:08,290
I just thought just on a whim I'll type

1216
00:56:14,850 --> 00:56:11,410
in Fredrik Valenta CH alone behold I

1217
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:14,860
found that the Australian government had

1218
00:56:21,830 --> 00:56:19,450
just made available 1,000 pages of its

1219
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:21,840
own research into that particular

1220
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,090
mysterious disappearance now that was

1221
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:27,280
something no one had ever seen before so

1222
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:30,130
I ordered a copy of it kept it to myself

1223
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:32,530
sat down and read the entire file and

1224
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:36,310
here was our government aircraft crash

1225
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:39,490
investigators doing a detailed

1226
00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:41,380
investigation of what had happened a

1227
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:44,680
wealth of material in those thousand

1228
00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:49,510
pages I wrote quite a lot of items about

1229
00:56:55,650 --> 00:56:53,470
it it ended up overseas a lot of people

1230
00:56:58,620 --> 00:56:55,660
read the actual files themselves because

1231
00:57:01,770 --> 00:56:58,630
I got them digitized by the Australian

1232
00:57:04,860 --> 00:57:01,780
government and that's one of our classic

1233
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:04,870
cases I guess which remains a mystery to

1234
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:05,440
this day

1235
00:57:12,210 --> 00:57:07,690
and now that's that's how you've got it

1236
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:12,220
you've got it as a mystery yes yes you

1237
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:14,170
read the thousand pages and you scratch

1238
00:57:17,580 --> 00:57:15,190
your head at the end of it you think

1239
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:17,590
well the government Accident

1240
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:19,630
Investigation people who are extremely

1241
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:23,140
thorough who will find the fact that a

1242
00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:25,930
small bird flew into the intake of a jet

1243
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,300
and caused a crash have a look at this

1244
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:30,880
particular set of data they don't have

1245
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:33,250
an aircraft they don't have a body they

1246
00:57:39,090 --> 00:57:35,530
merely can interview everyone associated

1247
00:57:42,270 --> 00:57:39,100
with it the air traffic controller the

1248
00:57:44,970 --> 00:57:42,280
plane wasn't on radar at the time the

1249
00:57:47,710 --> 00:57:44,980
weather was calm he just disappeared in

1250
00:57:50,050 --> 00:57:47,720
the middle of nowhere shouldn't

1251
00:57:52,109 --> 00:57:50,060
possible was and so they did all they

1252
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:52,119
could short of having an aircraft

1253
00:57:58,540 --> 00:57:56,090
crashed aircraft parts and a pilot or a

1254
00:57:59,890 --> 00:57:58,550
body but they were baffled in the end

1255
00:58:03,970 --> 00:57:59,900
the conclusion from the government

1256
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:03,980
investigation was we don't know and I

1257
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:07,250
have a question from a listener Keith I

1258
00:58:12,490 --> 00:58:10,910
don't know if you can hear me but one of

1259
00:58:16,770 --> 00:58:12,500
our listeners who wishes to remain

1260
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:16,780
anonymous he's a loyal listener and he

1261
00:58:22,060 --> 00:58:19,310
really appreciates and respects your

1262
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,070
work he said he wants to know did you

1263
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:25,760
investigate the West all UFO case like

1264
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:27,290
the Ariel school this was also

1265
00:58:33,460 --> 00:58:30,650
schoolchildren sighting also a

1266
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,470
schoolchildren sighting from 1966 again

1267
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,599
it was the West all UFO case did you

1268
00:58:40,750 --> 00:58:38,720
investigate that a number of us here in

1269
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:40,760
Australia are investigating just for

1270
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:43,550
listeners is a bit of perspective back

1271
00:58:49,570 --> 00:58:47,450
in April 1966 and a school in out of

1272
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:49,580
Melbourne so was an outer suburb of one

1273
00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:52,130
of our capital cities a group of

1274
00:58:57,849 --> 00:58:54,740
schoolchildren were out on the school

1275
00:59:00,070 --> 00:58:57,859
oval and they saw a mysterious oval

1276
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:00,080
object approached them pass over the

1277
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:03,490
school and appear to land in an adjacent

1278
00:59:14,130 --> 00:59:09,920
set of fields a number of them went to

1279
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:14,140
the spot a number of them reports seeing

1280
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:17,630
one object then take off a school

1281
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:20,270
teacher at the school verifies that he

1282
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:25,760
saw an object in the sky and the story

1283
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:28,250
was investigated by the local UFO

1284
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:29,300
Research Society

1285
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:32,330
but apparently the headmaster at the

1286
00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:34,730
school called an assembly of the school

1287
00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:37,310
children and advised them not to talk

1288
00:59:45,370 --> 00:59:41,150
about it and so the story from 1966 sat

1289
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:45,380
very quietly until it reached only in

1290
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:49,130
about 2006 when a camera researcher

1291
00:59:54,099 --> 00:59:52,010
named Shane Ryan decided to try and

1292
00:59:56,310 --> 00:59:54,109
gather all the pieces of evidence that

1293
00:59:59,410 --> 00:59:56,320
he could about the particular case and

1294
01:00:00,800 --> 00:59:59,420
ultimately Shane brought together about

1295
01:00:02,810 --> 01:00:00,810
200 witnesses from

1296
01:00:05,180 --> 01:00:02,820
the school he trapped on a number of

1297
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:05,190
teachers interviewed them he found all

1298
01:00:11,350 --> 01:00:08,130
papers as I did from James McDonald

1299
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,360
James McDonald came to Australia the

1300
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,160
famous physicist researcher came to

1301
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:16,640
Australia in there in the mid sixties

1302
01:00:20,570 --> 01:00:18,330
interviewed the teacher

1303
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,580
collected some of the the evidence about

1304
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:22,260
the sightings so we're talking about a

1305
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:25,650
visual sighting where there are claims

1306
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:29,370
of a physical trace being found and I'll

1307
01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:32,250
say a claim because the local UFO group

1308
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:34,920
at the time wasn't able to document it

1309
01:00:38,570 --> 01:00:36,570
because they couldn't get access to a

1310
01:00:41,810 --> 01:00:38,580
lot of the schoolchildren and teachers

1311
01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:41,820
so we have a very interesting math

1312
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:44,940
observation in 1966 which then popped up

1313
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,610
50 years later and the number of us went

1314
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:49,680
round we interviewed people we tracked

1315
01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:51,480
down old data we track with the data

1316
01:00:57,350 --> 01:00:53,790
from the time we tracked astronomical

1317
01:00:59,860 --> 01:00:57,360
data we we got all the original material

1318
01:01:02,750 --> 01:00:59,870
we could find newspaper clippings

1319
01:01:06,770 --> 01:01:02,760
interviewed that the teacher was reinter

1320
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:06,780
viewed he was still living and still is

1321
01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:09,720
living about a dozen to 15 that the

1322
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:11,880
students were reinterviews by a whole

1323
01:01:19,220 --> 01:01:15,810
range of researchers and no one has been

1324
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,230
able to find any information in terms of

1325
01:01:25,370 --> 01:01:21,180
documents in Australian government

1326
01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:25,380
archives about it I've spent a lot of

1327
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:27,990
time trying to find documentation by the

1328
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:29,670
government the government is supposed to

1329
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,180
have investigated it there are anecdotal

1330
01:01:37,610 --> 01:01:35,760
accounts from people who say I went to

1331
01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:37,620
investigated on behalf and bla bla there

1332
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:39,960
are but we haven't found any documents

1333
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:41,460
so it's one of these cases which is

1334
01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:44,400
tantalizing visual observation possible

1335
01:01:49,850 --> 01:01:47,670
physical trace case resurfaces fifty

1336
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:49,860
years later we have all the problems of

1337
01:01:55,070 --> 01:01:52,410
people are they remembering correctly

1338
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:55,080
what happened misremembering we don't

1339
01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:57,810
have any diary entries from the time we

1340
01:02:01,340 --> 01:01:59,400
don't have any original documentation

1341
01:02:03,620 --> 01:02:01,350
from the time where somebody wrote an

1342
01:02:08,570 --> 01:02:03,630
account of what happened apart from one

1343
01:02:10,940 --> 01:02:08,580
local UFO UFO group report form so to me

1344
01:02:14,010 --> 01:02:10,950
having looked at that again it is one of

1345
01:02:18,329 --> 01:02:14,020
our classic mysterious cases

1346
01:02:20,190 --> 01:02:18,339
to try and explain okay Keith I actually

1347
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:20,200
had a question for you sorry to

1348
01:02:27,089 --> 01:02:25,359
interrupt Frank but Keith I had the

1349
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:27,099
pleasure and privilege of interviewing

1350
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:29,950
John Dover you probably know who he is

1351
01:02:34,980 --> 01:02:33,520
he's a retired Navajo Ranger he was a

1352
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:34,990
part of a group of federal law

1353
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:37,089
enforcement officers here in the United

1354
01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:40,930
States that police Navajo reservations

1355
01:02:47,970 --> 01:02:43,720
along with his partner Stan Milford and

1356
01:02:50,579 --> 01:02:47,980
John Dover has taken paranormal reports

1357
01:02:54,299 --> 01:02:50,589
and and UFO reports and also done

1358
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,309
investigations on them for 11 years when

1359
01:02:58,349 --> 01:02:56,079
I interviewed him during the Phoenix

1360
01:03:01,170 --> 01:02:58,359
lights movie he said this and then I was

1361
01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:01,180
going to ask you a question whenever he

1362
01:03:05,730 --> 01:03:03,160
conducted investigations which were

1363
01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:05,740
during an 11 year stint into the

1364
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:08,700
paranormal and UFO incidents on Navajo

1365
01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:11,529
reservations when he and his partner had

1366
01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:14,470
major cases to investigate he said there

1367
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:16,510
was always a government presence other

1368
01:03:23,490 --> 01:03:20,230
than their own staff on site to

1369
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:23,500
investigate major cases they had they

1370
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:27,039
would get over flights of yellow H ch-53

1371
01:03:34,349 --> 01:03:30,250
s no markings on these black helicopters

1372
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:34,359
that were there were also special ops

1373
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:36,670
people Navy SEALs Delta Force Green

1374
01:03:42,809 --> 01:03:39,609
Berets Secret Service elite types

1375
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:42,819
showing up over time regarding their

1376
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:44,410
major investigations into the paranormal

1377
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:47,770
and UFOs and what they believed were

1378
01:03:53,370 --> 01:03:50,650
extraterrestrial crafts Dover took

1379
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:53,380
pictures of these guys my question to

1380
01:03:58,500 --> 01:03:56,319
you Keith is do you hear about this kind

1381
01:04:01,680 --> 01:03:58,510
of situation taking place during your

1382
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:01,690
research of the topics you cover meaning

1383
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:04,510
these elite types showing up and black

1384
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:06,730
helicopters and unmarked helicopters

1385
01:04:14,510 --> 01:04:10,079
hovering over areas of interest

1386
01:04:16,890 --> 01:04:14,520
regarding UFOs or extraterrestrial craft

1387
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:16,900
based on my own research here in

1388
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:19,390
Australia in which I've attempted to

1389
01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:21,250
track down some of the individuals who

1390
01:04:25,650 --> 01:04:23,980
haven't done the official government

1391
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:25,660
investigations I must stress the

1392
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,760
official government investigations

1393
01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:29,200
we don't know what else may have

1394
01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:32,140
occurred I've never found any instances

1395
01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:35,260
where a similar nature to what you're

1396
01:04:40,770 --> 01:04:38,380
describing I made an effort one time

1397
01:04:44,359 --> 01:04:40,780
through the government archives to track

1398
01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:44,369
down the Royal Australian Air Force's

1399
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:47,350
top scientists who work for our Defense

1400
01:04:51,870 --> 01:04:49,210
Intelligence people who was the

1401
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:51,880
consultant for the Air Force here who

1402
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:54,970
investigated UFOs in Australia from the

1403
01:05:01,260 --> 01:04:57,780
early 50s and till about the mid 90s and

1404
01:05:05,250 --> 01:05:01,270
he was in his 80s at the time very lucid

1405
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:05,260
and he he was able to tell me the

1406
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:07,930
background right from the 1950s of his

1407
01:05:13,470 --> 01:05:09,730
involvement with the Australian

1408
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:13,480
government and he was he told me in

1409
01:05:17,250 --> 01:05:14,890
contact with people in the US

1410
01:05:19,230 --> 01:05:17,260
intelligence agencies he compared notes

1411
01:05:21,330 --> 01:05:19,240
to what was going on in the u.s. to what

1412
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:21,340
was going here he also compared notes

1413
01:05:28,590 --> 01:05:24,510
with intelligence agencies in the UK and

1414
01:05:31,859 --> 01:05:28,600
he was baffled by why these things

1415
01:05:34,980 --> 01:05:31,869
tended to happen overseas particularly

1416
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:34,990
in the US and not here in Australia he

1417
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:36,970
told me that he'd never found any

1418
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:42,119
evidence of a covert program that he was

1419
01:05:48,570 --> 01:05:45,670
able to access and in all my contacts

1420
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:48,580
with whistleblowers officials who talked

1421
01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:50,650
to me behind the scenes I've not found

1422
01:05:57,780 --> 01:05:53,740
any parallels to it in the u.s. it's a

1423
01:06:00,080 --> 01:05:57,790
bit like accounts of military

1424
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:00,090
involvement with abductions mylabs

1425
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:05,050
helmet you name just to kill me or

1426
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:05,890
something like that

1427
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:08,530
who started the research into my labs he

1428
01:06:13,740 --> 01:06:11,850
was an Austrian scientist in the 90s

1429
01:06:15,180 --> 01:06:13,750
approached me and said do you have

1430
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:15,190
anything similar happening here in

1431
01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:17,170
Australia I said no look I have a

1432
01:06:22,349 --> 01:06:20,230
network Australia wide network of health

1433
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:22,359
professionals and experiences about a

1434
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:24,970
hundred strong who I am talking to about

1435
01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:27,310
all of these things we just haven't had

1436
01:06:32,730 --> 01:06:29,260
anything like that occurring here in

1437
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:32,740
Australia so it seems to us that part

1438
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:35,070
seems to me that part of the phenomena

1439
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:37,510
is us-centric

1440
01:06:44,420 --> 01:06:39,930
rather than global and

1441
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:44,430
no explanation for that okay go ahead I

1442
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:46,370
just have one last question Frank and

1443
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:49,050
Keith I have a philosophical question

1444
01:07:00,610 --> 01:06:55,170
for you and dr. Anna Freud I think she

1445
01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:00,620
was a daughter of Freud Sigmund Freud

1446
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:03,390
she said you have to have a great love

1447
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:05,430
of the truth scientific truth as well as

1448
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:08,130
personal truth and you have to place

1449
01:07:13,850 --> 01:07:10,710
this appreciation of truth higher than

1450
01:07:17,090 --> 01:07:13,860
any discomfort at meeting unpleasant

1451
01:07:20,420 --> 01:07:17,100
facts whether they belong to the outside

1452
01:07:23,660 --> 01:07:20,430
world whether they belong to the world

1453
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:23,670
outside or to your inner person do you

1454
01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:28,050
agree with that I do indeed yes I mean

1455
01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:32,190
I'm sat in panics what we call fields in

1456
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:34,440
Australia paddocks talking to farmers

1457
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:39,630
who've had mental Communications to move

1458
01:07:44,330 --> 01:07:42,150
out of a building the barn and go and

1459
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:44,340
watch something in the sky I've spoken

1460
01:07:48,260 --> 01:07:46,250
to a whole range of people who've

1461
01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:48,270
experienced some extraordinary things

1462
01:07:56,030 --> 01:07:52,470
which I never have but whose personal

1463
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:56,040
veracity and credibility I wouldn't say

1464
01:08:00,800 --> 01:07:58,920
rate is extremely high in my opinion

1465
01:08:02,810 --> 01:08:00,810
I've sat with people and they've told me

1466
01:08:05,090 --> 01:08:02,820
some extraordinary things and just

1467
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:05,100
because I haven't experienced them gives

1468
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:08,810
me no reason to doubt that they have and

1469
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:11,250
I would certainly agree with that

1470
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:14,490
statement that we need not to dismiss

1471
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:16,530
any piece of information that we come

1472
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:20,510
across unless we can verify that it is

1473
01:08:25,220 --> 01:08:23,640
not accurate or inter factual or

1474
01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:25,230
somebody's trying to Hocus us or as a

1475
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:27,390
piece of disinformation but I'd

1476
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:30,210
certainly in in my research honor

1477
01:08:35,750 --> 01:08:32,330
looking back at original material

1478
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,760
finding and talking to individuals

1479
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:37,440
themselves who had the experiences

1480
01:08:45,170 --> 01:08:41,160
rather than relying on second or third

1481
01:08:49,190 --> 01:08:45,180
hand documentation so yes I think we

1482
01:08:51,830 --> 01:08:49,200
have to really value the individuals who

1483
01:08:53,779 --> 01:08:51,840
having these experiences and and learn

1484
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:53,789
from what they're able to describe to us

1485
01:09:00,740 --> 01:08:58,170
I think a famous statement by John

1486
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:00,750
Alexander who said he thought that the

1487
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:05,130
phenomena was possibly unknowable is is

1488
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:09,299
very very accurate in a Jack valets

1489
01:09:14,299 --> 01:09:11,460
mentoring the same sort of thing is it

1490
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:14,309
possible for us to ever know and fully

1491
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:16,500
understand what the phenomenon is about

1492
01:09:23,419 --> 01:09:19,500
because once we we come up with one idea

1493
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:23,429
of what we think it is then suddenly

1494
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:25,409
twelve other pieces of data points

1495
01:09:31,809 --> 01:09:28,289
somewhere else I don't know who other

1496
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:31,819
Sandow is also ascribed to the same

1497
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:34,650
viewpoint that we shouldn't be saying

1498
01:09:39,109 --> 01:09:37,289
just because some of the evidence points

1499
01:09:43,220 --> 01:09:39,119
to the phenomena being extraterrestrial

1500
01:09:46,539 --> 01:09:43,230
that it is extraterrestrial he is asking

1501
01:09:49,999 --> 01:09:46,549
us to retain an open mind on both

1502
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:50,009
paranormal and UFO experiences so yes I

1503
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:52,250
think what the quote who you read is

1504
01:09:57,049 --> 01:09:54,900
extremely accurate and I would agree

1505
01:10:00,680 --> 01:09:57,059
with that yeah I think yeah what we're

1506
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:00,690
involved in with all this is we are in a

1507
01:10:07,069 --> 01:10:03,449
process of discovering new questions I

1508
01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:07,079
think that is our quote that I saw in a

1509
01:10:12,259 --> 01:10:10,260
science article recently and I think it

1510
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:12,269
applies very very well that's we're

1511
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,420
doing discovering new questions so and

1512
01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:17,760
I've got a question for you I key

1513
01:10:21,169 --> 01:10:19,260
thematic at case you've taken a closer

1514
01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:21,179
look at and written up at your blog a

1515
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:23,820
specific type of case that I happen to

1516
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:26,369
think very very highly of and that is

1517
01:10:31,339 --> 01:10:29,280
radar cases where there is a witness

1518
01:10:33,109 --> 01:10:31,349
back up they corroborate each other I

1519
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:33,119
think they're fascinating I consider

1520
01:10:38,060 --> 01:10:35,010
radar to be physical evidence of UFOs

1521
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:38,070
and there was a case in Australia near

1522
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,070
Perth that you've taken a closer look at

1523
01:10:45,379 --> 01:10:43,920
that in December of 1980 and you've

1524
01:10:48,140 --> 01:10:45,389
written that up and I wanted to tell the

1525
01:10:51,169 --> 01:10:48,150
folks a little bit about that yes this

1526
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:51,179
is an instance of a case which I knew

1527
01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:54,420
very little about back in 1980 so we're

1528
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:57,030
going about what what do you use now

1529
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:00,239
unlike 40 years now and I did come

1530
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:03,510
across on an Air Force file a telex

1531
01:11:07,490 --> 01:11:06,300
referring to a radar visual case in

1532
01:11:09,860 --> 01:11:07,500
Perth which

1533
01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:09,870
a capital city of one of our states here

1534
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:13,380
on the western coast of Australia and it

1535
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:15,510
simply was tantalizing saying that air

1536
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:17,460
traffic control had picked up four

1537
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,650
objects tracking across Perth during the

1538
01:11:23,210 --> 01:11:21,360
daytime and had been some visual

1539
01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:23,220
sightings and that was never ever

1540
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:26,040
followed up on the air force file and I

1541
01:11:29,420 --> 01:11:27,540
just never was that had an opportunity

1542
01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:29,430
to see anything or read anything more

1543
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:30,030
about it

1544
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:32,130
recently an old friend of mine passed

1545
01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:34,290
away and his papers buried in his garage

1546
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:37,800
I found he had some documentation about

1547
01:11:43,370 --> 01:11:40,410
this in fact somebody had interviewed

1548
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:43,380
some of the visual witnesses the air

1549
01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:47,310
traffic controllers own Diaries had been

1550
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:49,320
photocopied and placed in these

1551
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:52,050
documents and it was an instance which

1552
01:11:57,380 --> 01:11:54,930
we get all over the world where some

1553
01:12:00,860 --> 01:11:57,390
strange objects were picked up on on

1554
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:00,870
radar air traffic controllers themselves

1555
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:02,730
made some visual sightings of these

1556
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:06,000
things and they saw the classic silver

1557
01:12:11,630 --> 01:12:09,330
tumbling discs popping across based on

1558
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:11,640
radar they were seen at a height of

1559
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:13,860
about 8,000 meters they went up to

1560
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:15,810
20,000 meters and then they were lost to

1561
01:12:20,210 --> 01:12:18,090
sight there was nothing in the area that

1562
01:12:22,940 --> 01:12:20,220
could explain it the Air Force were

1563
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,950
baffled just for the fog so not familiar

1564
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:24,000
with the metric system

1565
01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:25,980
when you say 8,000 meters is at 72

1566
01:12:32,450 --> 01:12:30,300
thousand feet 8,000 meters is about this

1567
01:12:35,330 --> 01:12:32,460
it's about 3 feet to a meter so that

1568
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:35,340
would be about 24,000 feet okay because

1569
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:37,470
I do see a tension here where at the

1570
01:12:42,860 --> 01:12:40,890
later altitude now 72,000 feet that's

1571
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:42,870
much higher than any kind of commercial

1572
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:46,530
aircraft that's right yes so what was

1573
01:12:50,690 --> 01:12:48,510
interesting is actually finding a copy

1574
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:50,700
of the air traffic control what they

1575
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,890
call their daily journal which we coddle

1576
01:12:57,490 --> 01:12:54,480
all these sightings that were coming

1577
01:13:00,410 --> 01:12:57,500
visually it recorded on the radar detail

1578
01:13:03,410 --> 01:13:00,420
because it's so far in the past in

1579
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:03,420
recent examples of cases here in

1580
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:05,250
Australia we've used a freedom of

1581
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:07,140
information to actually get the radar

1582
01:13:12,890 --> 01:13:10,650
data out of air traffic control people

1583
01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:12,900
who have been very very open with us

1584
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,900
I've spoken to a number of them I can

1585
01:13:21,289 --> 01:13:18,480
put in an FOI request and say I'd like

1586
01:13:24,259 --> 01:13:21,299
the the radar from this Airport this

1587
01:13:26,089 --> 01:13:24,269
this time to this time and I'll within a

1588
01:13:29,719 --> 01:13:26,099
few days I get a DVD with all of the

1589
01:13:32,899 --> 01:13:29,729
radar detail on it going back to 1980

1590
01:13:35,779 --> 01:13:32,909
those sort of records don't exist so I'd

1591
01:13:38,839 --> 01:13:35,789
love a case like this to happen today or

1592
01:13:42,889 --> 01:13:38,849
in fact in recent times and strange to

1593
01:13:46,489 --> 01:13:42,899
say another one did my colleague in

1594
01:13:48,079 --> 01:13:46,499
Melbourne Paul Dean and I in 2014 so

1595
01:13:50,839 --> 01:13:48,089
we're going back almost five years but

1596
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:50,849
fairly recent there was an incident

1597
01:13:57,739 --> 01:13:53,369
where a passenger aircraft was flying in

1598
01:14:00,739 --> 01:13:57,749
to Perth Airport and the pilot of

1599
01:14:02,379 --> 01:14:00,749
copilot who we interviewed said they had

1600
01:14:04,819 --> 01:14:02,389
seen what looked like a green

1601
01:14:07,519 --> 01:14:04,829
cylindrical object approaching the

1602
01:14:09,349 --> 01:14:07,529
aircraft they caught on touch with air

1603
01:14:11,599 --> 01:14:09,359
traffic control and asked if they could

1604
01:14:13,879 --> 01:14:11,609
maneuver because the object was going to

1605
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:13,889
crash with them they air traffic

1606
01:14:17,689 --> 01:14:15,449
controllers say we've got nothing on

1607
01:14:20,329 --> 01:14:17,699
radar you don't have permission to

1608
01:14:23,149 --> 01:14:20,339
maneuver and the pilot in typical

1609
01:14:25,609 --> 01:14:23,159
Australian language said a four-letter

1610
01:14:28,189 --> 01:14:25,619
word and said blow you I am going to

1611
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:28,199
maneuver the aircraft so he he

1612
01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:30,089
maneuvered around this object which went

1613
01:14:35,599 --> 01:14:33,089
past him at very close range possibly

1614
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:35,609
within 50 feet of the aircraft and the

1615
01:14:41,889 --> 01:14:37,489
object just kept going up into the sky

1616
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:41,899
the pilot and co-pilot landed bit shaken

1617
01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:44,369
reported it officially which a lot of

1618
01:14:51,919 --> 01:14:47,249
pilots refused to do so they were

1619
01:14:53,509 --> 01:14:51,929
interviewed by air traffic control we

1620
01:14:57,859 --> 01:14:53,519
managed to interview the pilot the

1621
01:14:59,889 --> 01:14:57,869
copilot we got the radar data we have a

1622
01:15:05,469 --> 01:14:59,899
radar expert who analyzed it for us

1623
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:05,479
nothing was visible on the radar either

1624
01:15:11,809 --> 01:15:09,089
transponder radar or on raw radar there

1625
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:11,819
was nothing in the area at the time we

1626
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:13,739
could see the aircraft on the radar

1627
01:15:18,799 --> 01:15:16,260
tapes we saw the we saw the aircraft

1628
01:15:21,049 --> 01:15:18,809
make a small deviation that the radar

1629
01:15:22,969 --> 01:15:21,059
picked up at the time that he claimed

1630
01:15:25,519 --> 01:15:22,979
two air traffic control that this object

1631
01:15:28,459 --> 01:15:25,529
went past him now you don't deviate a

1632
01:15:31,209 --> 01:15:28,469
passenger aircraft for nothing he swore

1633
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:31,219
to us on the we interviewed him by phone

1634
01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:34,690
that the object had a you

1635
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,590
five units long by one unit wide it was

1636
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:40,719
green in color what do you mean by a

1637
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:45,130
unit Keith he was unable to say the

1638
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,010
actual size of the object was 200 feet

1639
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:50,080
long what we said to him what was the

1640
01:15:56,130 --> 01:15:52,570
ratio of the length to mark I see we say

1641
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:56,140
okay okay okay five times the width so

1642
01:16:00,479 --> 01:15:58,570
if it was a ten ten feet across it was

1643
01:16:03,150 --> 01:16:00,489
fifty feet long and that's because he

1644
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:03,160
couldn't exactly come up with a distance

1645
01:16:06,689 --> 01:16:04,930
for you he didn't know the distance

1646
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,699
therefore he couldn't estimate so he was

1647
01:16:12,330 --> 01:16:09,280
good he just went on the ratio it was

1648
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:12,340
close enough to avoid them up well he

1649
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:15,130
there was no wash from it he it was

1650
01:16:20,130 --> 01:16:17,050
close enough that he had to maneuver his

1651
01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:20,140
aircraft to avoid a collision so what

1652
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:22,390
happened then is the aircraft accident

1653
01:16:26,580 --> 01:16:24,550
investigation people our official

1654
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:26,590
government body interviewed the pilot

1655
01:16:33,090 --> 01:16:28,690
the air traffic controller and for the

1656
01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:33,100
first time ever published a report that

1657
01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:35,140
stated that an unknown object they

1658
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:37,180
didn't use the word a UFO they said an

1659
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:39,070
unknown object it almost collided with

1660
01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:40,719
the passenger plane in broad daylight

1661
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:44,830
and so what Paul and I did is we

1662
01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:47,530
interviewed the guy who wrote the report

1663
01:16:51,390 --> 01:16:50,920
and he said officially I can't tell you

1664
01:16:54,090 --> 01:16:51,400
anything

1665
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:54,100
he said unofficially he said we are

1666
01:16:59,060 --> 01:16:57,370
baffled we have no clues what it was he

1667
01:17:00,180 --> 01:16:59,070
said you could think perhaps it was an

1668
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:00,190
asari

1669
01:17:05,550 --> 01:17:03,730
unmanned aerial vehicle but he says you

1670
01:17:09,959 --> 01:17:05,560
don't have UAVs that a missile missile

1671
01:17:13,890 --> 01:17:09,969
shaped with no fins no wings no nose no

1672
01:17:17,820 --> 01:17:13,900
control surfaces just a five to one

1673
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:17,830
ratio cylinder I hate to call it to

1674
01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:19,600
tic-tac because no one described it as a

1675
01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:21,940
tic-tac of her but it's seamless sort of

1676
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:25,560
shape right and the official government

1677
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:27,910
document which they put on their website

1678
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:31,420
for accident investigations said we just

1679
01:17:35,490 --> 01:17:33,610
don't know unknown aircraft unknown

1680
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:35,500
object nearly collided with the

1681
01:17:39,660 --> 01:17:37,810
passenger aircraft so that's the closest

1682
01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:39,670
radar visual thing we've had in the last

1683
01:17:46,350 --> 01:17:43,390
five years here I wanted to make a

1684
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:46,360
comment to you a Keith and then see if

1685
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:47,730
you have any comment

1686
01:17:52,130 --> 01:17:49,890
back not really a question just to

1687
01:17:54,260 --> 01:17:52,140
comment so I'm gonna talk for a moment

1688
01:17:56,450 --> 01:17:54,270
Earth's broadcast signals have reached

1689
01:17:59,330 --> 01:17:56,460
every star within about 80 light-years

1690
01:18:01,940 --> 01:17:59,340
as of 2016 so the Stata needs to be

1691
01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:01,950
updated a little bit from the Sun about

1692
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:03,900
eight thousand five hundred thirty one

1693
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:07,920
stars and 3,555 earth-like planets that

1694
01:18:10,730 --> 01:18:10,110
is a very tiny fraction of what it is

1695
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:10,740
out there

1696
01:18:14,150 --> 01:18:12,360
furthermore it would take the same

1697
01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:14,160
amount of time for aliens to answer

1698
01:18:18,830 --> 01:18:17,070
moving on and there could well be alien

1699
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:18,840
civilizations that do not transmit

1700
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:21,440
strong enough signals to be detected

1701
01:18:26,210 --> 01:18:24,090
alien civilizations might have died long

1702
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:26,220
ago and any radio waves they may have

1703
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:29,280
used the they used might have long

1704
01:18:33,950 --> 01:18:32,010
passed earth and the time it takes for

1705
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:33,960
radio signals to broadcast throughout

1706
01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:35,970
the universe is much larger than the

1707
01:18:40,420 --> 01:18:37,560
time we have spent listening for

1708
01:18:43,660 --> 01:18:40,430
responses that's kind of a smattering of

1709
01:18:45,740 --> 01:18:43,670
information all alien related about

1710
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:45,750
broadcast signals throughout the

1711
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:50,340
universe whether past or present but I

1712
01:18:56,090 --> 01:18:52,800
wanted to kind of see if you have any

1713
01:18:59,960 --> 01:18:56,100
comments about aliens broadcasting

1714
01:19:03,830 --> 01:18:59,970
signals and being detected long after

1715
01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:03,840
they're dead that's a very interesting

1716
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:07,500
concept and because with recent

1717
01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:10,170
scientific findings we have found so

1718
01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:12,390
many exoplanets now in their thousands

1719
01:19:18,770 --> 01:19:14,820
orbiting stars with a whole range of

1720
01:19:20,690 --> 01:19:18,780
distances from from Earth the likelihood

1721
01:19:23,150 --> 01:19:20,700
of the being lifeforce where in the

1722
01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:23,160
universe has increased highly and

1723
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:25,350
probability the possibility of

1724
01:19:30,350 --> 01:19:27,510
intelligent life in the universe I think

1725
01:19:32,530 --> 01:19:30,360
has increased slightly and the

1726
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,540
possibility that someone is visiting us

1727
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:35,280
has increased I think with the knowledge

1728
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:37,530
that we have but it's one of those

1729
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:39,570
questions that Frank said we're still

1730
01:19:43,540 --> 01:19:41,880
finding the questions to ask rather than

1731
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:43,550
finding the answers to those questions

1732
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:45,570
but it's a really interesting

1733
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:52,520
well Keith I sure do appreciate you

1734
01:19:55,730 --> 01:19:53,610
coming on with us

1735
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:55,740
you spent a good solid two hours and I

1736
01:19:58,760 --> 01:19:57,570
think we're a jam-packed with fantastic

1737
01:20:00,570 --> 01:19:58,770
information

1738
01:20:02,850 --> 01:20:00,580
I sure do appreciate it

1739
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:02,860
stay in touch and obviously keep an eye

1740
01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:07,990
on key slog spot it is see a scientific

1741
01:20:15,690 --> 01:20:12,910
research hang on a sec here UFO -

1742
01:20:18,450 --> 01:20:15,700
scientific research blog spot.com

1743
01:20:21,150 --> 01:20:18,460
I think if you just google Keith pastor

1744
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:21,160
field and UFOs you'll turn up that blog

1745
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:22,570
spot pretty quick that might be the

1746
01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:24,310
easiest way to find it but we've got a

1747
01:20:28,650 --> 01:20:26,020
link to it in our description section

1748
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:28,660
and Keith I should - appreciate you

1749
01:20:32,910 --> 01:20:31,090
coming on and you know keep up the good

1750
01:20:36,450 --> 01:20:32,920
work we'll be keeping our eyes on now

1751
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:36,460
your latest mrs. Keith I would yeah I

1752
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:38,110
would like to also thank you and I also

1753
01:20:44,700 --> 01:20:41,170
want to reassure you I have shared your

1754
01:20:47,070 --> 01:20:44,710
link amply throughout the chat

1755
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:47,080
discussion to the right of the interview

1756
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:49,930
and it's just been such an honor to

1757
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:51,940
interview you you have such you were so

1758
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,060
well respected in the UFO community and

1759
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:57,280
there's a reason for that so we all want

1760
01:21:00,480 --> 01:20:59,920
to thank you for being on the show thank

1761
01:21:02,460 --> 01:21:00,490
you John

1762
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:02,470
what I do appreciate is an opportunity

1763
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,920
to network with people not not a single

1764
01:21:09,930 --> 01:21:07,600
one of us is going to solve the

1765
01:21:11,220 --> 01:21:09,940
attitudes of solanum and alone we do

1766
01:21:14,270 --> 01:21:11,230
need the networks that we're creating

1767
01:21:16,980 --> 01:21:14,280
and the discussions that we have and

1768
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:16,990
bits and pieces of data that we can find

1769
01:21:21,810 --> 01:21:19,450
from wherever so I appreciate the

1770
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:21,820
opportunity to to network with people as

1771
01:21:25,980 --> 01:21:25,360
well thanks so much again Keith and good

1772
01:21:27,330 --> 01:21:25,990
night everybody

1773
01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:27,340
thanks for staying up late on the East

1774
01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:29,980
Coast in the US and maybe some folks in

1775
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:32,110
Europe are listening over breakfast so

1776
01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:33,310
you have a good night and Keith enjoy